wave election when a whole bunch of republicans or democrats -- in this case it will probably be democrats thrown out of office -- you can have an election that's all about local issues. like indiana decides on something entirely different. or you can have an anti-incumbent wave. what's it going to be? >> obviously there's going to be more on the anti-incumbent. i think you're going to start to see people like done with washington viral. but you have to have credible candidates. >> the way i frame is, 1996 plus nugent. like '96, not a lot of big ideas being discussed but we'll have a lot of discussion about side show issues as well. >> a red state wave. and it could be a large wave where i'd want to see the evidence and that is michigan. if michigan flips the republicans in the senate, that means it is bigger than just the red state reaction against the democrats. >> i love it. you all answered it, in time and everything. ramesh, thank you very much. thank you, bob. thank you, penny. come back. it was fun. and when we come back, actor joe morton from the hit show