that it's a beautiful, wonderful thing for other people, the sizing and timing of their -- size and timing of their family is a personal decision, not a political decision. and so this issue is not just about terminating a pregnancy. it's about family planning and that is the fight in congress. people don't know that. they think it's just about one thing. >> on the subject of the planned parenthood, have you seen the videos? is there not anything on those videos that bothers you at all? >> i don't stipulate that these videos are real. and the fact is -- and fact is that the research that is being criticized there is research that has been supported. now, i haven't seen -- i've seen some news reports of it, but i also know that it's not real and you can create rein reality that you want. >> even if you don't accept the