committee clearly has been moving towards and engaged in. so now you have an admission by the people who created the committee and an employee of the committee, who, by the way, says that he's not only a conservative republican but intends to vote for the republican nominee for president and doesn't think hillary clinton should be president. to me, that smacks of pretty significant credibility. >> now, let's turn to joe biden. there were reports this week that his aides came to your office at the democratic national committee to get a briefing on the nuts and bolts of getting ballots and things like that. so will joe boiden run? does that give you an indication? >> my staff at the dnc is responsible for giving briefings to announce candidates, to candidates that are thinking about running, so that's something we do routinely all the time. but the vice president, as i've said many times, has been going through with his family a gut