prices paying 50% of what medicare is paying. does that make any sense? one government agency paying half as much as another government agency? we are working very hard to make that happen. >> one of the reasons, and i know you've spoke on it him and heard him say publicly, senator joe manchin refuses to endorse some of the medicare expansion in this, is because he believes that the inflation crisis in this country is very bad, and that also on medicare coverage, he believes that expanding medicare, which is what you're saying should be done, will hurt the actual underlying -- will hurt the trust fund and make it hard for people to get basic medicare. how do you convince him that's he's wrong on that? >> the way to convince him and the simple reality is we are paying for this, inflation today is a serious issue, no question about it. but what we are doing in this legislation is demanding that