we need to enlist as many trump allies as possible to promote the vaccines and we should not declare independence from the virus in july even if things look good? >> well, i think i would say all of the above. the idea about hoping and having an aspiration to be independent of the virus after a period of time is understandable and reasonable, but the one thing that we know from now almost two years' experience with this virus that it is really unpredictable, retch very much so with the element of variance. multiple waves in our own country and throughout the world, first an al fashion then a delta and now an omicron. it really is something that is unprecedented when you think about the terms of outbreaks. so it is understandable how one could say they hope