we are providing them with the man pads, stingers, ground to air missiles to try to defend themselves and that i think is the most important thing to focus on and we're doing it openly. that also is a risk and we have to recognize that as well. >> i think the worry, though, is that we may not want world war iii, nobody wants world war iii, but if vladimir putin thinks he is already at war with the united states and i think that's the real concerning question, number one, which is look at the devastating economic sanctions that we've already imposed, which putin himself has said is an act of war. if you look at the consequences it's to destroy huge swaths of the russian economy. number two, if we agree and this group seems to agree that escalation is quite possible from vladimir putin next, biological, you talk about the american people and the outrage, there's going to be enormous pressure on the biden administration to respond to any further escalation, and that is scary. >> one of the ironies here is we actually enlisted russia to help