administration came in and said, bashar is a reformer. he likes the music of phil collins. he lived in england. and the on-- so we courted bash for two years. and when the rebellion broke out in march of 20 11, we took our time before we said this man has to leave, before we understood what he is about. >> you have no doubt, though, that any chemical weapons attack that took place was not a rogue element in the regime, that anything that's done is the result of bashar al assad? >> i'll give you a good arabic expression, not a bird could fly in syria without assad or his family or brother knowing. this man controls the means of destruction. this is his country. he owns it. his father gave it to him. and remember, his father's name