cetera. but the cases that we studied, these 194 cases, show that that's just plain wrong. that in fact, most of these kids are dying in their own homes. that's the most dangerous place for them where they're getting their hands on firearms that are left unsecured in many cases, there are a number of homicides where parents are killing their own children, lots of cases there were i believe 72 cases out of the 194 where the kids themselves are pulling the trigger. we're talking about young kids here, don. talking about ages 12 and under. the average age of 6. 2 and 3 and 4-year-olds getting their hands on guns and pulling the trigger. >> who are these children? when kind of families, background, communities do they come from? >> it's broadly distributed. this is truly a national problem. these cases took place in 43 states. they're in inner cities, they're in tiny rural towns, they're in the south, they're in the west, the midwest. in terms of the backgrounds, you do see a number of working class