reagan did in 1980, the dominant impulse in the party was we had to reach out, we had hit a demographic dead end, had to find new ways to reach voters we hadn't attracted before. marco rubio's negotiation of immigration reform really was a symbol of that. now i think the party is moving in the direction kevin suggested which is the problem is that we didn't turn out enough of our base, we didn't give them the true undiluted medicine and that is, i think, what is really the tail wind behind cruz, that argument that our real problem is we have not been conservative enough, we have not been confrontational enough and not done enough to turn out our traditional base. difficult reality in terms of the numbers but no doubt that is the argument that is winning in the republican party this year. >> clinton, when we talk about the government shutdown, you had a great column about this in the "washington post." what does it really mean for people who work for the government? >> what it means for people that work for the government is that, a, you don't necessarily know whether or not you are essential or nonessential which is sort of a difficult thing to deal with. also in this town specifically, not this town a lot of people