expect, primarily because they don't have a lot to lose. >> and should note dr. carson the mother sonya, you mentioned in the piece, is very ill. our thoughts and prayers go out -- >> he's not going on the campaign trail, going to texas to be with her. >> best of luck to her and thoughts and prayers with them. a deeper dive into the white house race. cnn political common dater, donna braz zimile joins us and also bill what do you make of either fiorina or carson? like them both? >> like them both add a lot to the race. >> what will they add to the race? >> ben carson actually is a leading neurosurgeon in the country, knows a lot about health care impressive life story, he can reflect on. carly fiorina, ceo of a major company, articulate spokeswoman for conservative views. good we have -- democrats should have conversety. a bunch of people between 65 and -- >> a lot of diversity.