religious adviser to president obama and has continued in that practice in an informal way, was there any moment of spirituality or bible text or anything that struck you in that speech that were missing in our conversation? >> sure. there were so many. there was a short reference that maybe a lot of folks didn't catch about a sweet hour of prayer. it's a beautiful a.m.e. song that comforts people in times of need and he talked about seeing through a glass darkly and then seeing face-to-face. that's a scripture that includes many of believers, and it was a speech that was really woven through with scripture, with hymns, and with songs, and of course that moment where he had the grace of god overwhelm him and had to burst into song himself. the interesting thing about that jake was the congregation the audience needed no prompting, as soon as the president began, we began.