is better than hillary, this is the joe biden that he's putting out there, that people are very familiar with. is there concern in the white house that that may start to resonate? >> there is concern about it because of course they are the same people who will say they don't agree with the president's tweets and insulting former staffers or insulting congressmen or people like elijah cummings, they understand that kind of -- that is not appealing to those middle class voters they want. but of course as it was in 2016, the question is that is your strategy for the election, what is it once you're in the white house and governing and weaver seen it play out with donald trump who made the argument, i'm not hillary clinton and put me in the white house and now he relies on his himself and voters will have that question if someone does defeat donald trump and if it is joe biden people still want to know what will happen to their 401(k) or their health care and what they will do with that. that is a short-lived promise for voters who still care who is president in -- in however many years if it is not donald trump. >> and the other thing