not yet been made by the committees but certainly, jake, many democrats up there on capitol hill will think he would make an ideal first witness as this iengent -- as the inquiry enters the next phase. >> sunlen serfaty, thank you so much. let's chew over this. democrats believe that .is unavailable witness and jackie speier on the house intelligence committee said, quote, he's rock solid. detailed note taker, unimpeachable and 50 years to his country and doesn't get much more top gun than that. but mary katharine, we might think it is unassailable but the white house and the president has been assailing him. president trump called him a never trumper and said they are human scum. >> they will attempt to assail him. the democrats have the advantage at the moment of the fact that both taylor and vindman as far as i could tell, a., seem to have solid background and