and let's chew into this. and i want to drive into sondland using the word insidious. this whole thing was a sort of a continuum. it starts as trump saying talk to rudy and then let's get the ukrainians to talk about corruption and that isn't enough we need to talk about the 2016 elections and bur he's ma investigations and it kept getting more insidious as the time line went on and at the end of the continuum, i believed there was a link between the white house visit and aid to the ukraine being held up. david urban you are a 2020 campaign adviser. insidious is gordon sondland's word. not schiff or the media. sondland. >> a couple ever things about sondland, he goes back to correct this. i think ambassador sondland may have had an issue with -- perjured himself so he may face legal jeopardy of his own to begin all of this.