system. it could paralyze this country. >> so, that was 11 years ago. why aren't we better prepared? >> it's a great question and i distinctly remember leon, when we testified together. and he likened the -- this to the potential for a cyber-pearl harbor. and we need to be a lot more alarmed about this. and there needs to be a greater sense of urgency. that's why director wray's characterizing as -- as likening it to terrorist attacks is a good one. and i think the government needs to be prepared to -- to be a lot more aggressive about going after these people. and -- and, for example, trying to seize or prevent them from actually getting the payments. as one example. >> what would you tell biden to say to putin? i mean, we had the former-cybersecurity czar, chris