kabul where the administration was saying it was unknowable and clearly it was foreseeable. so, i wouldn't take this as a new sign of a new taliban in the fact that they were working with the united states. unfortunately, we were forced into the situation to try to save american lives to work with them since kabul had fallen, the government had fallen, and the taliban were at the door of the airport. >> how do you think this would have been any different or why do you think it would've been any different if president trump had been re-elected and they had gone through with the may 1st deadline? president biden makes the argument, and there are others who are not knee-jerk biden defenders who say he has a point, which is that there always would've been chaos, there always would've been an ugly ending to this, and it was president trump's administration that negotiated the exit with the taliban at may 1st. why would it have been any different? >> the president undermines his