real. they do not enforce their policies, if they happen to have them. and at the end of the day, the big losers are kids and teens just like our children. so this is a moment of reckoning. i really do believe that. and mosseri's comments are typical when you see zuckerberg testify and also give lame excuses and not address the fact that this is happening on their platform. so hopefully this is a big moment of reckoning for this company and that we will see, finally, major legislation that reins them in. >> deepa and jim, thanks to both of you for your time and insights. if you or your loved ones are experiencing any suicidal thoughts, please call the national suicide prevention lifeline at 1-800-273-8255. or you can text home to 741741 to reach the crisis text line. both services are free and they're confidential and available 24/7. coming up next -- christmas