is doing is going to definitely change that? >> it's hard to say it will definitely change that. you can't change people's hearts and minds through legislation. you can't change them through rules that you make in laws. but one of the thing that has to happen is that these owners, they have to be able to look at themselves in the mirror and say that, when they say that they really want to make this league an equitable opportunity for everyone, for all coaches, no matter their background, skin color or what have you, then that is something they will have to own up to. the numbers prove otherwise. until the nfl makes these substantial changes, then when you see the decals on the players' helmets, you see anti-racism in the end zone. those will continue to be looked at as symbolism and not something where the nfl is not only backing 70% of the black