we did our own poll in which we asked americans what should the main focus of u.s. immigration policy be? take a look at this, border security first by an almost 2-to-1 margin there. you see particularly for republicans, you have to say, look, first things first. we're going to secure the border and then we're going to talk about the path to citizenship, even though, by the way, the path to citizenship is 13 years long itself. but you have to get over this hump and convince people. and it's difficult because they don't trust the government. so they think you could put 40,000 boots on the ground, could you build fences but i don't trust that it's going to work. >> that's a problem with border security is that people see something that you're never going to get. i don't care -- who was it that used to say all the time you build a six-foot wall, there will be a seven-foot ladder. it a moving target.