discussion with 233 people generally isn't that productive, but more importantly, nobody has said this or on the reporter oeven close, know the makeup of the caucus, i think leaders feel maybe it would be best for some of their more conservative, and maybe more importantly the more outspoken members to not be there. what are you hearing about any possible movement especially when it comes to the debt ceiling. >> there's still no official talks, particularly between the republicans here on capitol hill and the white house, but there are certainly unofficial bipartisan discussions going on all over, particularly in the united states senate. that is something that senator dick durbin, the number two in the signal sort of spilled the beans on to jake tapper on "the lead quest. listen to what he said. >> i think you probably would guess, and it would be true, there are conversations under way to what we will discuss, what we will negotiate over,