alive, does any of that surprise you? >> it absolutely does. this guy invested a lot of time into this event today. he basically has thrown away his life. it will never go back to normal. he let people go walk out of the building. he was in a building surrounded by other, you know, shopping facilities and restaurants in the area. if he wanted maximum fatale day, he could have gone to a quote unquote better site and then after all of this, he surrend s surrenders. so there is so much inconsisten inconsistency, it is confusing to identify the motive. so, yeah, a lot of his behavior for me is very surprising. >> bob, the fact this guy had or may have had explosives, they saw him take items in, couple bags, how does that change the situation for authorities as they go into something like this? it could have really increased the amount of caution they have