putin is likely to do a significant land invasion of ukraine, but i have -- i have noticed very carefully in the last few weeks in conversation with european allies, the eu and others, they acknowledge the facts, but they are not yet as comfortable with the prediction about what putin might do. in fact, in the nine years that i've been in the senate, this is probably the farthest apart that the u.s. and our european allies have been about predicting what might happen. the good news is -- >> excuse me. i don't want to cut you off there, but on that point, it does strike you -- it should strike everyone as a bit odd that there is really a distinction, for example, between how seriously washington is taking this issue and how seriously they're taking it in kyiv. and the question for so many people obviously when you're not talking about a nato member, we are not talking about obviously joining at this juncture, that strikes a chord with the american people.