way for you to exercise power, to live with a democracy and with the others with diversity, we talk to president biden to improve our relations between the two countries. the u.s. is very important for us, and i believe that brazil has also certain importance for the u.s. so what we want is the two big nations that are truly democratic, that they can help each other to strengthen democracy around the hemisphere and around the planet earth. >> you talk a lot about democracy, mr. president, and it looks like you're going to come up against president biden on a key defense of democracy around the world, and that is ukraine. you do not believe, i don't think, in the western support for ukraine's defense, and you have said it many times. why not? i mean some people have asked, why is lula so committed to