>> i think that poll is an outlier. but i don't think it -- oh, there you go. >> a little paper flying across the desk here. >> it's an outlier, but i don't think it means donald trump is driving this conversation, particularly on national security matters. what's interesting right now is with voters, issues don't matter as much as attributes. that's what's driving a lot of the voter preference. and the attribute that's donald trump is promoting, strength, clarity at a time when the obama administration is seemingly indecisive and not issue ago strong enough sense to american people that they have this under control. that is where the american public is reacting. they're graph tating towards donald trump because he's doing all the talking. these candidates right now, this debate is going to offer them an opportunity to start taking control of that situation and making it a more xwasubstantive conversation. i don't think donald trump can win on substance. >> there are people saying he's