believed true by the speaker or writer. it doesn't matter. they're still saying the wrong thing. it is a lie or a misrepresentation of the truth. >> there are lots of words for it. prevarication. >> a lie's a lie all day long. >> that's exactly right. >> for these folks to say the president doesn't lie or you're maybe misunderstanding how he's communicating. come on. that's rich, but -- >> there is a very simple test for it. is it an excuse that they would offer to their political opponent? if they would say the same thing about their political opponent then they're fine saying it about this president, but it never is because they do whataboutism on everything. well, what about when president obama said you can keep your doctor? being wrong isn't the same as lying. two plus two is 4 1/2. wrong. it's not a lie. not if i didn't know that. it's not just about being wrong. when the president says something that's wrong, okay, he was wrong. we can talk about his intelligence, his competence, his preparation. this is different. we both know it. he says things that he knows are