the american public and to congress. he also gave really damning testimony. he testified the president tried to get me to get the a.g. to tamp down this investigation. i mean, that is presidency endsing in normal times. but here we are and it seems to have not even moved the needle because the house democrats have been so sort of weak in the way they've gone about this. >> sort of. >> so excessively -- >> but he copped to obstructive behavior. >> he did. and here's the question i want to ask nadler or any of these people. is the conduct that's laid out in the mueller report enough to impeach? if yes why are we having these hearings? why are we having these skepticals and if no what's it going to take? >> because nancy pelosi doesn't want to move ahead with impeachment and in the meantime -- for political reasons. and in the meantime this happens so the party to its base seems to be doing something. this is all a stalling