a source telling cnn president trump urged the president of ukraine to investigate joe biden's son, and "the wall street journal" reports that happened roughly eight times in a single call, which raises serious questions about whether this president is using his authority to harm perceived political enemies. joining me to discuss now is nixon white house counsel john dean, also jack tumarchio. yak is a former principal deputy of intelligence for homeland security in the george w. bush administration. good evening, gentlemen. appreciate having both of you on. jack, you first. you say the way this whistle-blower complaint is being handled makes watergate look like kindergarten. why? >> well, what i'm seeing here, don, is already a pattern of obfuscation. you've got rudy giuliani out there kind of running interference, and it just seems like it's going down the road of