all that pence has done, trump still remembers the one act of disloilt. that was after the ""access hollywood"" tape came out. pence put out a statement distancing himself from the president. except for that one example, pence has walked the trump line and stowed it. that easily could have been referring to discussions about joe biden or hunter biden and corruption. he didn't say he hadn't talked to him. all of the indications we've seen are pence was aware what he was doing, delivered that message to the ukrainian president. >> matt, i have 10, 15 seconds. do you think we're definitely going to see pence on the ticket in 2020? >> 80% likely. the more he's embroiled in this, the less likely that trump is removed because republicans, the one thing if there's any