tell me why you're questioning if it ever really happened. >> well, there's a couple, three things we've been looking at. one is that in other parts of gordon sondland's testimony, he's talked about how he would wait until the late afternoon to call the president, try to reach him back in the white house. that call if you remember where he's sitting at the restaurant in kyiv, that happens later after lunch. this is a call that would have taken place earlier. in fact, we've looked at the time. it would have happened somewhere between 12:47 a.m., and 5:19 a.m. in washington. even at the very end of that window, that's still dark, before dawn in d.c., well over an hour before dawn, an hour before trump's first tweet of the day. and so the time doesn't match up to what gordon sondland has told people when he would call the president. and yet the president doesn't remember, as you just noted, doesn't remember this call. he's always phrasing this as, you know, gordon sondland just said i said this. he's never said personally, i remember this call.