so again, it's going to be down to each person, their last name, they'll have to think about their parents, think about their legacy for their children and grandchildren, and say, wait a minute, i'm going to back this guy, he's now rolling in a barrel off of niagara falls, he's a traitor and a criminal, so i'm going to back him for partisan purposes or am i going to do the right thing for the country that howard baker and barry goldwater did, 48, 47 years ago. >> let me ask you before we run out of time. you've got the mulvaneys, the pompeos, the barrs who will continue to do what the president says or wants. if you're in the white house and you're the communications director, you've got people saying, wait for the durham report, wait for the horowitz report, then the ukraine, the conspiracy theory. >> i was only there 11 days, 12 days longer than i should have. i could never have lasted,