arkansas american airlines crash, june 1, 1999. after that, it was a big push. in some cultures that is not welcome. we have a very pilot in command with a huge amount of hours and a co-pilot with lesser hours and we have three carriers now, all from malaysia for example, flying over a war zone. mh-19 that was shot done. that's a serious question in judgment. same thing here entering a thunderstorm. it's a serious question of judgment. >> what do you think, david? >> well i think the question of overconfidence is a very good question but i might rephrase it and call it an over reliance on the automation systems. peter goelz has been talking about this as well, the fact that the pilots are relying on the equipment and technology. the more you make it safer and automated, the less you rely on your own instinctive abilities in managing the aircraft in difficult situations such as this. >> i want to go to another