that the first reports are always wrong when you get the facts and know what's happened. very often people see a dot, they think an incident two dots is a line three dots is a trend and that's what we have here is three dots. so we need to know more. i can say also that the chances in the utilities of america and our economy today that we'll have multiple episodes concurrently of glitches and outages and even cyber attacks is 100%. so this is life as we know it today. >> so are you saying that you do think is it come bleatly plausible that this is just coincidence or are you skeptical? >> no i'm -- no these episodes seem -- appear to have been reported concurrently and may have happened concurrently. that doesn't mean they're related or malicious. >> okay one last question before i let you go. if you were still in the government, the department of homeland security or now with