hunter biden if he was, in fact, fact. we have heard that. >> as we sit here in normandy your son, hunter, is on trial. and i know you cannot speak about an ongoing federal prosecution. but let me ask you will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? >> yes. >> have you ruled out a pardon for your son? >> yes. >> gillian: he could face up to 25 years. the words from the president appear binding. >> for a lot of people out there as a parent they'll say listen, if he doesn't hold to this. if hunter was convicted and president biden loses in the fall, i think there are a lot of parents who would understand if he said i will pardon my son. so he has made clear that he does not plan to do that. he has another trial, remember, in september. hunter biden's team had pushed so they wouldn't have two trials so close together. that means it is even closer to