and american rescue plan and my grandiose agenda and transform the country. white house aide were telling the press we like it he is being seen as more transformational as president obama. during eight years of president obama and vice president biden, i think there was tension between the two staffs. the staffs of the president and the staffs of the vice president. and now all of those people who were the staff of the vice president, ron klain et al are now the staff of the president. they like the idea of him being seen as more transformational and more aggressive, more liberal, more in tune with the left of the democratic party trying to make big transformational changes than president obama. >> dana: do you think the tension is between the current west wing staff and the current vice president's staff? >> i think there is tension but i think it might be for a different reason. it might be because they think she has been an utter disaster on every major assignment she has given her and a very important public face for them.