welcomes the politics of impeachment. and from people that a talk to him, it's what you see in public. he hates the idea. he doesn't want this to happen. i think what happened last week is nancy pelosi was really pushed by with her own caucus. it became unsustainable for her to oppose this anymore. but i think it's a sign of weakness that she didn't have a vote on the house floor, and that's a sign it would be a very narrow, partisan vote, awkward for some of her members. i just think this was improper, but if the president was impeached and removed on the basis of anything like this universe of possible facts, it would blow a hole of legitimacy in the center of our politics that wouldn't be healed for years. the right way to do this if you oppose a president and want him to go, there's an election 12 months from now. chris: gillian, you have an advantage over all of this, you actually worked in the national security council under both bush 43 and obama, so i want to is ask you a couple of -- and