in your ranks or take full responsibility for all of their actions. >> geraldo: wait a second. isn't that a backhand smear? a lazy way to attack a political aagain that the naacp stands against? >> they are doing everything to save endangered congressional democrats. >> when you are losing an election that you were supposed to win the first thing you have to do is to tell your own people that you are losing and then explain the consequences of what is defeat would mean so you could energize them. >> why won't the tea party say that we denounce anybody that comes to our rally that uses racists. >> geraldo: march 2010 the antihealthcare protests in the nation's capitol. whether this video shows black democrat emanual cleaver getting spit on and whether it was race based nobody can deny an ugly anger prevailed. but since then, equally no one can deny that tea parties have worked hard to ban racists from their ranks. >> it is a 101-year-old organization. >> is the naacp attack on the tea parties like the organization itself, old and slow? >> anybody white who disagrees to naacp is a racist. anybody black who disagrees with naacp is pilaried. they are uncle tom or they are a negro. this is a sign of brain death and the irony of it is all that the naacp are accusing the tea party of wanting to push america to the past precivil rights era. that is exactly where the naacp is stuck, in the past! >> geraldo: the tea party was winning until express spokesman mark williams did the dopey, writing a pretend letter from president jealous to president abe lincoln. we colored have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to the whole emancipation thing. say what? >> i don't know this man. i don't know any republican who does. i don't know any republican who thinks like he does. he is a crackpot. >> geraldo: maybe the tea parties can just announce crackpots. and speaking of crackpots. >> geraldo: have to kill some of their white bab babies, areu still friends with shabazz z? >> i'm trying to work with him so that our organization will have a better reputation so we won't be manipulate. >> did you hear what he just said? >> i heard what he said. >> geraldo: come on, malik and you talk about having an appropriate role in society. a fair and balanced question, is the infamous pa panther intimidation tape being used to soak white voters the way they say the tea party racism is being used to energize blacks? >> thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot. we have always been and i believe to be essentially a nation of cowards. >> geraldo: not here they are not, mr. attorney general. tonight, live an at large special investigation. politics and race baiting. hi, everybody, i'm geraldo rivera. and everyone from the tea party's mark williams to the national network's al sharpton joins the all-star lineup for a passionate debate on the politics of race baiting. also tonight. watch this. >> geraldo rivera, this is that little friends group you talked about. this is that little friends group you talked about, geraldo rivera. we are strong in the streets of newbery. black power. black power. what do we want? >> justice. >> and when do we want it. in? now. >> put that strong and high. what do we want? >> when do we want it? >> now! >> geraldo: they descend on the community in the middle of south carolina. malik's announced goal is to bring attention and federal assistance to the murder investigation of a local black man by a white associate. i will ask if his real goal is intimidation and whether he is helping or hurting the cause. craig is there, craig is with him, craig is on the case. let me start with mark williams and freedom works matt kibbe. i'm going ask them the easiest question they will get all night, would you agree, mark williams, that the new black panther party is the flip side of the kkk and the neonazis? >> to a certain degree. i think they are a street gang, as those groups are as well, absolutely. >> geraldo: but here is a question i have for you. you and your associates support border security. >> yes. >> geraldo: the associated press today is reporting a a militant neonazi hate group started its own patrols. do you denounce the neonazis who are helping the cause of border security? >> in is heart beat. that is not what they are doing. they are hunting mexicans. >> geraldo: good point. mr. kibbe, what do you say about that? >> first of all, let me say that you said that mark represented the tea party. i don't think that is true and i would at least like to separate myself from some of his repugnant comments the last couple of days. he doesn't represent the tea party or the tea party ethos. no point taken. what about my point about the kkk and the neonazis, do you denounce that? >> i denounce all that staff. we have denounced that from day one. we talk about freedom and individual responsibility and none of that stuff, the kkk. >> gretchen: the neonazis is the opposite of what we stand for. that is not what we believe in. >> the former mayor of new orleans. many state if katrina hit on his watch it would have been a different story. president of the national urban league. do you denounce the new black panther party? >> i'm not going to denounce anybody specifically but i will denounce the actions if they go across the stop. >> geraldo: mr. mayor, you have a group here they are saying they want to kill crackers. >> and i denounce those statements. >> geraldo: why not look at them and say that like the kkk, like the neonazis, they can be slick and play the public relations game but at their core they are racist? >> whether the new black panther party, whether it is the tea party, no matter who it is. i will stand up for people's right to express themselves in the right way consistent with the first amendment. but when they cross the line, when they go beyond that then those actions, those statements should absolutely be denounced. >> geraldo: i got to move on. big panel tonight. here you have a situation where the naacp has been called on -- or take that back. here you have a situation where the tea parties have been called on to denounce racists in their ranks. >> and they should. >> geraldo: but couldn't you say that about the republicans and the democrats and the big footed gopher lovers? >> we're not talking hyponet cali here. we are talking about a situation when i saw that billboard associated with the tea party in mason, iowa, that placed a photo of the president, the duly elected president of the united states next to the detested adolph hitler, the detested lenin, i asked myself a question, would we see a president johnson. >> geraldo: if you are didding denounce that billboard, why don't you denounce those people. >> i said i denounce the statements. >> geraldo: you have to denounce more than just the statements. this is a situation. i'm hearing someone in my ear that is not supposed to be there, audio. the situation is you must be consistent. all right. let me ask deneen. you are conservative and work for project 21. you are a fox news contributor. do you think the mayor is equivocating. >> any hate speech having anything to do with threatening people and to kill people is absolutely outrageous and i don't agree with that talk and rhetoric. the naacp refuse to denounce the actions of the new black panther party but on the flip side they are looking at the tea party as a racist group. >> let me say something. no one is asking the tea party movement to denounce any one outside of the tea party movement? >> geraldo: i just did. >> i'm saying that the tea party in the billboard and the actions that took place with mr. cleaver and mr. lewis, those things -- >> you are defending hate crews. >> you don't want to address the fact that those things took place at activities sponsored by the tea party. >> go to crash the tea party web and find out where the signs came from. they came from an organized effort to discredit the tea party and those very same pictures are now showing up. but in defending mr. shabazz. >> i'm not defending mr. shabazz. >> you want to get the attention off of the tea party. you want to switch attention. the naacp was absolutely -- >> you will defend a domestic terrorist organization but won't defend the constitution. >> absolutely right in calling out the tea party and calling out the action. >> what tea party? >> the tea party express. >> i ask you right here. >> geraldo: ask him and then i have to -- >> i ask you denounce those people in the tea party and the tea party express. you, mr. williams have said that muslims worship a monkey god. >> i said terrorists. >> geraldo: all right, coming up, should president obama get involved in this debate? 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