>> i think there's a tribal element to our country today and it's beyond just politics. it's politics, culture, where you lib, your view -- live, your view of faith h it's all kind of stuff. obviously, there's clicks and money to be made in playing to one of those tribes. it's not all of us. i think we're following, not leading. but we certainly add to it. howie: i would say we're contributing. you have he detailed scenes with pinetta finding out about the intel that bin laden may be hiding in a home in pakistan. you have him briefing obama. was it easier to get people to talk about this 10 years after the event. >> no doubt about it. first of all, it's not as classified. i talked to almost everybody, hillary clinton, bob gates, mcraven, two of the seals, they were justifyabley proud. it was a great moment, a great intel operation, a great political process, a terrific