bigger story? >> i think what makes it bigger is that the day that we all found out was the same day the president found out. howard: yeah. >> even though his, you know, secretary of defense spoke to the president that saturday, the day after lloyd austin sent out a memo saying, look, i take responsibility for not letting people know, i pledge to do better, then he has a call with the president and doesn't say, hey, mr. president, i have prostate cancer. so that is a little bit concerning. howard: what has been the reaction at the white house where president biden, as you alluded to, didn't know for days? the defense secretary, of course, is part of the nuclear chain of command and the drip, drip, drip of disclosure is how badly this was botched? >> i think it's going over worse at the pentagon because you have two people who are really in charge of managing secretary of defense, and one of those people, the chief of staff, it's her responsibility to notify the white house, national security adviser, congress -- howard: oh, but he was ill. >> but she had the flu, and she