united states. >> harris: is that why they keep firing ballistic missiles this time from the first time underwater? the president doesn't push back too hard on that. is that something the administration is understanding that it's baked in, because he has a deal with the bloodthirsty people in his own country? >> yes, but belligerence is part of how you stay relevant. the longer you are belligerent, the longer the other side -- >> harris: feeding people doesn't make you relevant? >> of course not, power is what matters to them. increased sanctions, while significant and important, would be part of the recipe. you will find a way to survive as people suffer even more. but it's not clear yet, as john bolton said, strategically he has made the decision to give up nuclear weapons. so talks for talks' sake can perpetuate his march for increased capability. we will see. maybe the white house know something we don't know. hopefully kim jong un and the personal relationship is significant. you need that relationship to build the trust for a possible breakthrough. >> harris: pete hegseth, dropping by to be 27 on an