relates to military assistance, you don't have any direct evidence from president trump about that part of it. that is your two plus two part of the equation, right? the presumption? correct? >> correct. >> and you also understand that others disagree. yesterday we heard from mr. morrison, ambassador volker. they testified that they didn't see a quid pro quo. do you understand that? >> i understand that's what they say. >> reasonable people could look at all this and come to different conclusions. correct? >> correct. >> i yield back. >> mr. himes? >> think, mr. chairman. ambassador, think of her testifying. a couple things jumped out at me in her testimony. in your opening statement, you said "mr. giuliani demanded you can make a public stable denouncing investigations into the 2016 election, dnc server, and burisma. mr. giuliani was excessive the desires of the president of the united states, and we knew that these investigations were important to the president." that last sentence is