it. >> jesse: i'm going to imagined a reduction in crime this way. lock them up. >> but that does not work -- even donald trump agreed with that, right, jesse? >> jesse: i want people who are deranged and out of the streets punching asian women, i want them locked up for long. of time. >> i do. but i think there's a new wants to. >> whenever having a conversation about how we fix our criminal justice system, which everyone can agree is broken, whether it be the war on drugs or the fact that we have nypd police officers putting handcuffs on six-year-old and seven-year-olds who are in mental distress. that is problematic. it is not police officers' fall. it is the fact that we have broken policies in this country and we need to the fix does. >> jesse: yeah, but i just don't see what homicides rising, pretty much every major metropolitan area, shootings are up. biden, getting rid of jails, that is not a real solution and richard has not offered a real solution. >> well, we have so many things that feed into this including the fact that law enforcement,