how do you sort of conceptualize the sort of good faith objections by people in native and indigenous communities and this monstrously racist bad faith hammer that the president is wielding against her. how do you think about that? >> look, i think that there are two issues here. the first is that native people are grossly underrepresented and misrepresented -- >> yep. >> -- by the media and american culture. >> yep. >> and, unfortunately, i don't think that this was the senator's intent, but the original handling of the dna test added to that long history of underrepresentation and misrepresentation. you know, whether that will matter to voters who are nominative, you know, i can't say, but i do think that this is an important learning opportunity for people to understand the complexity of