it gets mixed up. it's a red flag to people looking into this stuff. you really want your controller -- this is a long time employee. he's obviously not somebody who will say no, you can't do that. he knows all about that. and has been in some ways involved in it. he can do two things. he can explain whaths going on. and give us background. that's something he can explain the documents and give us the key thing in a criminal case. which is who did what? who intended and who knew what at what point. those are background conversations that might not be contained in an e-mail. or some kind of written down exchange. that is why these kinds of witnesses are so critical. in these investigations. they both explain things to the grand jury. and also can give some