overseas is radicalism happens at this intersection between december institution, disinformation and demagogue rich. and america has had that, no downtown it. what was kind of unique in this era is demagoguery. you had the presence of donald trump who was seen by people as a demagogue. he was able to channel -- >> to channel it. >> to channel their destitute shun, your societal ill, i can fix them. if you follow me, i can fix your problems in society whether it's saving the children or whatever. people are willing to march for him and follow him all the way to the capitol. and in some way, it does become like a cult. when we spoke to her sister, she described it as people who -- whether it's the sobriety movement or what have you were finding a sense of purpose and a community. and once they felt that they belonged to something, the only way they could stay in it, was to commit themselves more and more and more. >> her family obviously is devastated by her loss. they wanted her not to go.