cruel as possible. >> exactly. i mean, hamed's reporting speaks for its. this is morally abhorrent on so many levels, and it's not -- unfortunately it's not surprising because of the fact that you had someone like stephen miller who is the architect of a lot of these policy and really played a major role in pushing this policy in the trump administration. you know, and he's somebody who this was -- immigration is never about national security for stephen miller. it's never about actually protecting the united states. it's about cracking down on -- it always was about cracking down on families, and to try to reengineer the demographic flows of people into this country, and that's why we saw a disproportionate impact on law-abided asylum seeking families, people who were arriving at ports of entry or, you know, coming into contact with border patrol to seek asylum because they fear death for their children in their home