president of the united states. >> just to add one more thing on this, i find it fascinating, i was talking to tim stewart, one of the great reporters of our age pointed out something to me which was that when trump was talking to zelensky, he says talk to rudy or talk to barr and that is a very trump thing to do. he's got these two egoed lawyers who are competing for his affection, he's throwing them together like a pair of -- >> which they are, they are -- >> structurally considered rivals and trump loves to throw them together in a sock and see who comes out intact. that kind of thing which is all fun and games when you're setting off your -- when you start to get in a situation like this and two lawyers like that with the degree and power and material information about the