>> you know, i've watched a lot of clips for giuliani for videos we've done at "the wall street journal," and he has a slightly different story every time. he's maintained this effort started last november. in some cases he said ukrainians dropped some information in his lap, in other cases he said some americans brought it to his attention. things really started picking up in january and february where he actually sat down and met with these ukrainians to talk about the biden investigation and the investigation in 2016. you heard say he's doing this to come up with an alternative explanation to defend my client. that's a little strange because president trump was ultimately cleared by robert mueller. they didn't find any evidence of collusion with russia. so what rudy giuliani was doing with respect to ukraine and this debunked theory ukraine was interfering in the election didn't make a lot of sense. >> giuliani for his part he said he had insurance should the president throw him under the
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