of course if you agree with that, how do you think democrats could use these recent rulings to more effectively reach out to working-class voters? >> well, the court is moving us backwards and young people, in particular, are outraged that the court is taking away the relief of student loans. they are moving to a time where colleges used to be just for the wealthy and largely white, so i do think this could energize young people in particular. on working-class voters, i think what the president is doing is biden now makes and saying i am delivering what trump promised. it's probably the most effective message we have. >> you said president biden should run on term limits for the supreme court, something a number of people have called for. a growing number of people. how does he connect something like that, that may sound a little bit obscure to voters, and getting them excited about the election and getting out?