probably going to be higher than that. there's so many people waiting in the queues. >> i'm seeing barriers of sandbags put up so a vehicle can't go straight, but actually has to zigzag. where is it that these vehicles behind you are heading? is that you're seeing somewhere throughout the city of lviv, these barriers? >> reporter: look, they haven't spread all over western ukraine. the towns and cities need to set up these checkpoints because it's the first line of defense. jose, there's stuff you see here and stuff you don't see. there's stuff that's hidden here. the sort of civilian -- armed civilians that run these checkpoints along with the help of the military remind you. they say, listen, there's stuff that you don't know that's hidden around here in case things get a little serious. they need these things because they don't know who is coming in and who is going out. life in lviv is still very much -- i don't want to say normal, but some shops are open,