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significant first quarter profits laer this week. analysts say these companies are firing on all cylinders. the first quarter earnings will be much, much better than a year a ago. they must be so proud, but exactly how much better? exxon mobil s profits should rise 56% from a year earlier. occidental petroleum is expected to be up 35% year over year. chevron s profits up 29%, according to expectations. now, geffen these profits, president obama and the democrats are pushing for an end to the $4 billion this country spends in oil subsidies. that s $4 billion of your money going to these companies when they re making record profits and you re paying near-record prices at the pump. it has to stop. that s exactly what we bush what we ve been pushing for on this is program. while companies are raking it in as we just showed you, i love that the presidents and democrats are going in that direction. you re going to be shocked, though, to find out the gop doesn t like that plan. their solution? drill, baby, drill. of course they re planning hearings, markups, floor votes, in the first week back from recess. the problem, as usual, their plan is totally disconnected from the facts. a study by the government s energy administration found that even if we were to open the waters currently closed to drilling, gas prices would only drop by three cents a gallon, so if we give the republicans everything they want, as much drilling as their mind can imagine, the oil companies would get a lot richer and your gas prices at best would drop three cents, and the republicans wants to end the subsidies we talked about? of course not. the oil companies are the ones that get the republicans elected in the first place. now when they cry their crocodile tears over high gas prices, you have to understand what a gigantic joke that is. let s bring in other voices that might discusses agree with me. pat buchanan and bill press, host of the bill press show on sirius, joining me. pat, let s start with you. come on, let me show you a poll first. 74% of americans find it acceptable to end these oil subsidies, only 22% find it unacceptable. are the republicans running you re talking about peanuts if you re talking about $4 billion. let s look at exxon mobil last year, cenk. they made $383 billion in revenue, $33 billion in profits. that s about 8% on the dollar, which is it s high, but nots extraordinarily high for american corporations. secondly, i know you say the price of gasoline has gone up. i went to the pump it is $4.30 for regular on easter sunday, but let me tell you something, in terms of gold and silver, price of grass lien isn t going up, it s going down. the problem is the american dollar is sinks like a stone, it keeps going down to the point where standard & poor s thinks we ll have to default. it s the responsibility of no one bus barack obama. pat, if you re going to make a case to the american people that gas prices are going down and we should be giving more subsidies, i m going to wish you a lot of luck. maybe you can t make the case, but you have to learn a bit about supply and demand as barack obama never did as he was in the outfit in chicago. hey, first of all, i ve got a gas station here in washington, d.c. where it s $4.99 for regular. i want you to go down there, pat, and tell everybody who pulls up, feel good about this, gas is going down. yeah, pat, lots of luck with that. they want to blame everything on barack obama. the target here is the oil companies. look, sure, they all to make a profit, but they think that if they make 60% higher in profits, they can charge 60% higher at the pump. it ought to be just the opposite. they re gouging consumer while they re laughing all the way to the bank. $4 billion is a lot of money. number two, it would get rid of the subsidy for the people that don t need it, and put it into the kind of in investment that we need. sure, let s put it into solar. that will help our cars a lot. yeah, it will. there s no doubt there s a problem with the supply. the middle east and the gulf are in utter turmoil. obama has shut down all these areas in the united states. demand is rising. it is supply and demand all the way. let me ask you if we need more oil, and we do, who do you think is best equipped to go out, find it and bring it to the united states? the oil companies, or obama, pelosi and reid? of course it s the oil companies, but they don t need us to subsidize them. they don t need a handout. they re fat and happy. you say obama is not allowing any drilling, but since a year ago, the largest oil spoil in american history, this administration has put on the 50 new 3r789s in the gulf alone, and ten new deepwater permit it is even though hold on, hold on. cenk, let s look at the larger issue. hold on, pat. you stalk about supply and demand, but we just showed you the numbers, even if you drilled off the coast of florida, which we don t do, you would only move it three cents. you will the oil subsidies are peanuts. how about this. when they do do the drilling? for some of the drills in the gulf of mexico, we don t even get royalty rights. that s $53 gill onfrom the american people. why do you want them to keep taking the money from us, pat. i want to talk about, we have an energy crisis, we all agree. however, if you look at the united states, we created nuclear power. we have more natural gas than anybody else. we have 1,000-year supply of coal, an immense amount of oil. that tells us it s not our energy companies, it s a fourth-rate political party in washington, d.c. that is the problem. wait a minute, pat, if you are blaming everything that hasn t happened in the last 100 years on barack obama, that s ludicrous. no, i blame it on both parties. he s done more from getting us away as fossil fuels than anybody else. i m not here to support the administration, but i am in support alternative energies. look at the industry producing more efficient cars. you re talking about it moves in that direction, pat. it takes a long time. but you re talking about government subsidy. this is barack obama s problem. he s never been in a institution that s not tax exempt, tax subsidized or supported. he knows nothing about the private enterprise system. wait, wait, pat, i m not going to let that slide. where did he learn it? there s no way you re going to talk about the free market system and say he doesn t understand it, when your party has given away $ 4 gill onof subsidies. what happened to the free market? let me answer your question, cenk. i will agree that, let s take away the subsidy to the oil industry, if you take away the silly subsidies for electric cars and solar panel and biomass. why are they silly, pat? because people are you have been hypnotized yourself by a concern called global warming. that s nonsense. you ve frightened yourself to death. can i put one fact on the table. i live in a solar house, totally off the grid. solar is for real. to continue to denounce it the way pat does is not to live in the regard world. let s get serious. your little house in california should not be subsidized by me. you didn t, pat. holed on, guys. look, pat, to give you a quick answer, the subsidies began in 1960 when it was a burgeoning industry. it doesn t need any help now. the reason you give the solar industry, et cetera, a bit of help is so it can be to get big like big oil does, and rip us off. and you ll get the dollars from the solar panel companies, and you ll love them. are you going to run your prius on solar energy? come on. stop giving away our money. we re out of time. subsidies for your own industry. we re out of time. pat buchanan, and bill press, lively as always. thank you, guys. go for it. now, senator mccain went to libya, and boasted how they re his heroes. this was a complete dog-and-pony show. and donald trump is heading to new hampshire, but hand-writers a critical her to the report. that report will join us live. your finances can t manage themselves. but that doesn t mean they won t try. bring all your finances together with the help of the one person who can. a certified financial planner professional. cfp. let s make a plan. is a. ahead, the get mo files are revealed. almost 700 classified military documents. show us what goes on inside the prison, but the number of innocent people being detained is outrageous. if you thought i was mad about the gas prices, wait. rong, and give them our cheese. kraft singles. more kids get their calcium from us than any other american cheese. kraft singles. the american cheese. 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the new york times had an oblique reference in the 19th paragraph to 158 detainees who did not receive formal hearings, and they mention, by the way, these people had, quote, no ties or significant knowledge about al qaeda or the taliban. how about the washington post ? they mentioned 150 innocent detainees in a bullet point, but don t even write about them in the text of the article. then the case of the innocent journalist we locked up, he was held for more than six years and never charged with an act of terrorism. it was his work as an al jazeera cameraman. analysts thought he would provide information about the news network s training programs, telecommunications equipment, and operations in chimp aniy, kosovo and afghanistan. they knew he wasn t with al qaeda all along. who cares? keep him locked up, because he might give us information. are you kidding me? what happened to this country? the obama administration reversed course on holding a civil trial for khalid shaikh mohamm mohammed, impeccable timing as always. what happened? let s not treat this as some accident. this is a result of very specific policy decisions by senior bush administration officials. typically when our military captures people, they hold a hearing at or near the place of capture to determine whether the person is a civilian or combatant. for guantanamo instead we used a dragnet. we ll figure it out later. we ll call them the most vicious, best trained, the worst of the worst, and we ll sort it out later. now it s 2011. we still don t know who everyone is who is being held. one of these documents refers to someone and says we don t know his identity yet. this is after eight years of detention. this is what happens when you abandon the rule of law and instead literally open an island outside the law. i m asking the american people, what are we doing? i mean, that s the whole point. to your point, ben, we ve got a great video of dib cheney. they did not fight in uniform, which is one of the requirements in complying with the rules of war. they don t represent any state or any sovereign state that was a party to the geneva convention. yeah, all those people attacking us like the al jazeera cameraman, right? they kept there for six years. we should make another point about this, cenk. there are people at guantanamo who easily could have been tried and convicted in legitimate federal courts many years ago. you refer for the 9/11 case. it should be a national scandal we re coming up on the ten-year anniversary, and we haven t even had a trial to bring the perpetrators to justice. the reason for that, instead of following or values, traditions, following the rule of law, we create this island prison, dump people in, create secret black site prisons, subject people to torture, and it becomes that much more difficult to restore the rule of law. see, ben, that s what i say all the time, we ve got to bring these people to justice. this happened right here, nearly 3,000 people killed, and yet we haven t brought them to justice. they re like, why should we try them in new york? because the crime happened in new york. that s my question to you. the people who say we should do this in guantanamo, ignore or normal rule of law in america, we should do this in this lawless outpost, do they hate the american justice system? are they un-american? i think you need to call them what they are, i think they re cowards. i think people who think we ought to change our entire justice system because of the perceived threat of a handful of people whoever they are should be called cowards. the point of having a rule of law is if we don t have evidence to support holding someone, we let that person go. if we used guantanamo justice in our regular system, why would we have trials? the point is acquitting people, letting them walk out, even if they are guilty, makes us stronger, safer, gives us respect throughout the world and is the fundamental legitimacy of a legal tim. ben wizner, thank you for joining us. one more thing, if you believe in this guantanamo system, you re letting the terrorists win. you re saying, you win, al qaeda, actual win ayman al zawahiri, you win bin laden. we re going to trash the american justice system and do it your way. ben is right. that s being a coward, being scared of the terrorists. these colors don t run. we ve got to be better than that. we ve obviously said our piece. john mccain calls for the end of reign, and we call it a massive mccain con job. and the defense of marriage act just got a little harder. we ll tell you why. 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really? call congressman ryan and ask, what were you thinking? now it looks like democrats are not about to let harry reid reportedly will schedule a vote on ryan s plan in the senate, forcing republicans to go on the record or voting against their own party s plan. so here we go. the dissension begins. and tomorrow house republican leaders are holding a conference call. a gop source kell national journals, they ve been getting the crap kicked out of them back home. music to my ears. check out what was said at a town hall last week. let me tell you what, when you have your town hall, you can stand up and give your presentation. i guess i owe everyone here a level of respect. i m doing the best job i can to answer your question. many of the republicans are so afraid they ve been afraid to when s the last time you saw republicans running for the hills like this. when are they ever going to learn? americans love their social security and medicare, so stop trying to kill it. joining mess is congressman steve israel, democrat, and from new york, and chairman of the democratic national congressional campaign economiee. the adding that have been put together are pretty tough. is this going to be the main issue, say they wanted to cut medicare? yes. the vote to term nailed medicare was the defining vote, and we intent to hold republicans accountable every day and in every way for that vote. they are right now trying to defend the indefensible. terminating the costing seniors an additional 12,000 in order to fund tax cuts for people making over a million. it s indefensible, and we ll hold them accountable. that s what the ad shows, but ryan s plan in a double or triple hypocrisy gets rid so how do they justify that? every time i think they ve hit the limit, they prove me wrong. they spent an entire campaign falsely advertising to seniors that we were going to reduce medicare. they say their plan to improve medicare is to end it. guess what? there s a reason that every major poll in the country is showing us that seniors, independenting, democrats and republicans are absolutely rejecting the republican plan. they are not falling for this nonsense that ending medicare is improving medicare. let me show you some poll numbers, because i think it s important to the two parties. in 2008 they got 60%, and in 2010, they got 59%, so a significant jump up. have they put that back in play for you? they have put back into play two critical groups of electric rats. the bottom line is that we lost seniors in 2010 and lost about 9 million independents in 2010. we lost them because republicans were effectively able to rely about us on medicare. all we have to do to get them back is tell the truth about republicans. this is about what defines democrats and republicans. this is about democrats willing to stand up and continue medication, but don t believe we should end it versus republicans who are willing to cost seniors in order to fund tax cuts. under the if you re a senior on medicare, you lose your medicare. republicans say, wait a minute, our plan does not affect anybody over 55. we re only planning to end it for people until 5 a. is that partly an admission on their part, if they applied it to people over 55, it would be livid? it s an absolute admission. they re saying we know this is a bad idea. so we re going to wait. i ll be honest, i m 52 years old. i paid into medicare all my working life. when it s time for me to receive medicare, how is it fair that the government says the ryan plan denies you medicare, we turn it over to the insurance companies and we re going to cover that s not fair for the people paying into medicare. there are better ways to balance budgets. we balance them by tightening or belts, reducing spending. thank you, representative steve israel, for joining us tonight. thank you. one progressive group that s mobilizing direct as is moveon.org. let me bring in justin rubin. what are you doing to mobilize the activists at these town hall events. i think what we found is that when people know about this budget, as soon as people understand exactly what s going on, it actually will end medicare to give a tax base to millionaires, people are outraged. we re giving people the information, and we have members in basically every congressional district. letting the members know to give people a piece of their mind. and we were show showing people there. and to what s happening today. other than have been people in the states you have a huge age group. are you seeing more seniors mad at this plan? or are you seeing people under 55 who get in and are mod investigated? into i have beenly my experience has been everybody you talk to about this, they just get so angry. it just doesn t match it s not that people and then you have senior citizens saying what about my grandkids? what about my children? who s to say they won t come after medicare for me, too. the more people hear about this, the angrier they get. some people say, hey, look, the koch brothers organized some of the plans, with arlen specter doing the thing we just say, wait a minute, wait a minute, what s the difference? there s two big differences. one is moveon is funded entirely by small donations. millions around the country who donate whatever they can. it s pure grass roads. literally we ll take health caraway from old people, you know, that s not where american voters are. that may be where the koch brothers and other backers are at, but i think moveon members are squarely within the american majori majority. my understanding is you personally won t gain from this. right other wrong, people agree or disagree, but that s what s happening. absolutely. thank you for joining us. justin ruben. donald trump responding to a critical reporter with a handwritten letter. justin elliott has more, coming up. this was me, best ribs in nelson county, but i wasn t winning any ribbons managing my diabetes. it was so complicated. there was a lot of information out there. but it was frustrating trying to get the answers i needed. then my company partnered with unitedhealthcare. they provided onsite screenings, healthy cooking tips. that s a recipe i m keeping. 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i think this shows he s incredibly insecure. a lot of people have been lying about how rich he is. he throws around numbers. so clearly that s what i was writing about. if he declares his official candidacy. at a certain point you have to release information. so that s the reason why people think he s not going to run. that s what i think. can he hide it? it turns on he can drag it on for a long time. as long as he officially doesn t say i m a candidate, and says i m testing the waters as long as he doesn t trigger the 30-day deadlin deadline. he may have eight months. that means we have a lot of trump going forward. when they ask about the bankruptcy, here s what he said. we re using the law to our advantage. when i explain it to people, 24th get it. it s not person, it s just business. if the average homeowner says, it s not personal, they say deadbeat, how can you do that? for rich people, contracts are irrelevant? his first bankruptcy, and we should say i believe he s had more bankruptcy than wives, and he s had three wives. but i think the first was a failed casino. he owed the bank so much money, they bailed him out, because they needed him essentially. that s absurd. apparently he has not voted as much as he said, and he skipped 21 years of primaries, so how does he explain that? let s watch. sometimes you ll have a primary where republican is even mentioned, where there is no republicans, or where he s expected to get 4% of the vote and i ll be in a foreign state. am i supposed to drive intoic when the republican is supposed to be 3% of the vote? in terms of the general election, my record is good. i m a believer in voting, i will tell you. first i thought it was gretchen carlson in there, but . he said, nah, primaries, it s busy. i don t think he could pass a high school civics class. we shouldn t take at face value he s a republican. he talked a lot about running on a reform party ticket in 2000. a colleague of mine at salon.com reported he gave money to ed rendell, $50,000 to rahm emanuel. i don t even think he s a republican. ed rendell, a strong progressive, is on the show all the time. he loves the attention. you write another article, he ll wring you another know? he lives off his brand. he s licensing his name, so it s all you re getting another letter. watch yourself, justin. justin elliott, of course, thanks a lot. thanks. when we come back, apparently there s a disastrous policy. i m going to try to talk them out of it, okay? 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